In a friendly discussion with my blogging buddy Polycarp over at The Church of Jesus Christ on his post Charismatic Movement: Alive or Dead?, we each agreed to write posts about whether there will be an end-times revival.
You can find his excellent post here, wherein he very skillfully maintains there will not be an end-times revival. Surprisingly, however, despite my task of demonstrating that there is scriptural authority for an end-times revival, I must confess that there is not much in his post I disagree with, other than the ultimate conclusion, of course.
I think a few issues get confused when discussing this subject matter thereby creating distinctions, whether with or without real differences. First of all, I agree with Polycarp that the last days will be very difficult:
[Paul to Timothy] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 Timothy 3:1 (KJV)
I do not, however, see these (difficult times and end-times revival) as being mutually exclusive. Whether you believe we are in the midst of the last days or not, I think most would agree that these are perilous times and that there is a considerable revival taking place right now in places like South America, China and other parts of Asia and Africa. So, both are indeed possible.
I think, too, the term “revival” is used loosely suggesting some sort of spiritual resurrection, which I firmly believe will happen (more on that in a moment), but it also gets used to suggest some worldwide mass coming to Jesus. I’m less comfortable with the latter because I’m not entirely sure scripture goes that far, but I don’t negate the possibility. Therefore, to the question of whether the end-times revival will be worldwide or include mass numbers, I must simply answer, “I don’t know.”
With that in mind, the most widely used scripture to support the notion of an end-times revival is found in Joel 2:
28 It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.
29″Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. The Day of the LORD
30″I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31″The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.
32″And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD will be delivered…
My friend correctly points out that in Acts 2 Peter applies this passage in Joel to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit experienced by Peter and the others on the day of Pentecost. However, I see this as the beginning of the outpouring referenced in Joel and not the end.
In support of this, it seems that Joel 2:31 is a parallel prophecy to Revelation 6:12 where, “The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red…” (NIV), which suggests to me that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit began, and did not culminate, at Pentecost. The culmination to come “before the great and awesome day” when the Lord comes.
Moreover, I find no where in scripture where this outpouring comes to an end. Lastly, at the time of Pentecost, Peter had no indication yet that the Gentiles were some how going to be a part of God’s plan. His encounter with Cornelius and strange bedclothes had yet to occur, and He specifically addresses “Men of Judea” and “Men of Israel.”
Thus, the pouring out on all mankind, while appropriate to Peter’s sermon as the beginning of said outpouring, must have been still future in its completion.
I have always found that on questions of church theology, the book of Romans seems to provide most of the answers. On this question of theology, Romans 11 I think provides the clearest instruction.
First, and as an aside, albeit an important one, Paul cites Joel 2:32 in eliminating the distinction between Jew and Gentile in Romans 10:13. It is apparent that Paul viewed Joel’s prophecy as continuing and still future. More importantly, Paul explains:
11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12 Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!…15 For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
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25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written…” (NASB)
If Israel’s rejection of Christ meant my reconciliation, what must their acceptance be? Paul equates it to life from the dead. That sounds like a revival to me. I would love to be around when, “all Israel will be saved.”
Admittedly, I think there are a lot of when, where, and how’s that need to be worked out, but it seems to me that the end-times revival is the answer to the falling away, apostasy and lawlessness to come. Jesus instructs us, “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.” Matthew 24:14 (NASB)
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus, and we are to:
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that [He] commanded [us]; and lo, [He] is with [us] always, even to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:19 (NASB)
I see it this way: the prophecied gloom and doom are the symptoms, the end-times, worldwide revival we are charged with carrying is the cure. Sure, some folks will not take their medicine, ignore their ailments, or seek help elsewhere, but among those who find Jesus, there will most definitely be revival.








#1 by mondaymorningreview on July 7, 2009 - 10:01 pm
Good word. The problem the church faces today is that we have become great at diagnosing the problem, we just come up short in delivering the cure.
#2 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 9:11 am
Indeed. Thanks, Pastor.
#3 by Polycarp on July 7, 2009 - 10:20 pm
Peter, excellent post. I will finish up tomorrow. If only all disagreements could be handled this way.
#4 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 9:12 am
I couldn’t agree more. Thank you for suggesting the discussion, it has been my pleasure.
#5 by Larry Who on July 7, 2009 - 10:34 pm
I have lots of doubts about the End-time revival stuff. It seems to be backed up more prophecies given by Charismatic ministries than by scriptures.
#6 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 9:14 am
As long as any such prophecies are supported in scripture, that doesn’t present much of a problem as far as I’m concerned. If they are not, that’s another matter.
#7 by wilma on July 7, 2009 - 10:46 pm
About all I know is The Body of Christ desperately needs “revival or outpouring of the Holy Spirit”. In our SS class we are studying Revelations and we covered chapter 13 and I was particularly taken by vs. 7 “and it was given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them; and authority over every tribe and people and tongues and nation was given to him.”
That is scary….We need to be filled with the Holy Spirit daily.
Enjoyed the post.
#8 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 9:15 am
I agree, Wilma. That’s great advice regardless.
#9 by Scripture Zealot on July 8, 2009 - 9:40 am
I think you guys are using too much Scripture and not enough human reason and logic.
Kidding of course. Very refreshing.
Sorry I don’t have anything to add, but I notice many blog posts that assert something and Scripture isn’t referred to even once.
Jeff
#10 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 9:46 am
Indeed.
I was kind of hoping you would clear this whole thing up for us…
#11 by Polycarp on July 8, 2009 - 10:09 am
I hope that Peter is right, I really do. Looking at the awful shape of the world, I pray that he is. I will attempt a ‘response’ tonight, Peter. Thanks again.
#12 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 10:22 am
Yet another point of agreement, we both hope that I am right
Thanks, my friend.
#13 by Larry Who on July 8, 2009 - 1:12 pm
Upon reflection, I think my disagreement is more with phraseology, the use of the word “revival”, then it is with your conclusion. I see reformation, and not revival of the present church system. Then, after reformation takes place, I see the eventual fulfilling of the Joel 2 prophecy.
But even should we disagree, Libby is cute. God bless you.
#14 by petermlopez on July 8, 2009 - 1:30 pm
Larry, I don’t think we really disagree, and I tried to explain my problem with the term “revival” as well. But, thanks, she is a cutie, isn’t she?
#15 by Curtis Ward on July 9, 2009 - 6:58 pm
Peter,
I could really get going on this topic, but my time is limited.
I think that people look at this topic from totally different perspectives…and yet many do not realize that. I certainly believe in revival and that genuine Christianity and even persecution can breed revival. I do not, however, believe as so many in the Charismatic world today do, that there will be a worldwide revival and that we have been mandated to take the nations so that once we do Jesus can come back. This teaching has crept into the church and is hiding the partial or full preterism teaching behind it. Many who teach this do not openly admit to being a preterist, but some have recently acknowledged their belief in this view. There are a lot of other things I could say here, but I think I will leave it at that for now. Be blessed.
Curtis
#16 by petermlopez on July 10, 2009 - 7:53 am
Curtis, I appreciate you reading, and maybe we can discuss this in more depth over coffee or lunch some day.
One of the clearest instructions given by Jesus is to,”Go therefore and make disciples of all nations…” I don’t think there is much ambiguity in that. I do not for one minute accept the idea of replacement theology, which I think precludes my being labeled a “preterist.” And I do think scripture makes it clear that Jesus will have to divide the “sheep” nations from the “goat” nations, which suggests our human efforts will be insufficient for converting all nations despite the instruction to do so. I do believe Jesus’ return will be when things are at their worst, which may seem like a contradiction, but it seems the persecution goes hand-in-hand with the “revival.”‘ I think we can liken it to Jesus’ own time. His persecution and murder were, in part, a response to the stir he created. I suspect (although I’m not entirely certain), that the “end times” will hold something similar.
But, all of this is the purpose of my discussion with Polycarp, to air different views and exchange ideas. I look forward to a similar discussion with you, only in person.
#17 by PASTOR DAN WANYONYI on March 24, 2010 - 3:30 am
Dear loved ones of the lord,
Its with great honner for me to convey to you this massage from the lord.We have a meeting in busia in april this year and am commanded of the lord God to invite you it will be an eye poener to the great things God has been speaking using his prophets for a long time the return of our lord ang God jesus Christ has come for this is will mark the start of the end time revival that has been spoken of by JOEL.
PASTOR DAN.
#18 by Peter on March 24, 2010 - 8:43 am
Pastor Dan, thank you for your participation. I appreciate you, but I have removed the phone number for your protection.
#19 by mondaymorningreview on July 10, 2009 - 9:30 am
Hey Peter — I’ve had one of those chats over lunch with Curtis, and it was really enjoyable. Just allow plenty of time, I think you guys could chat for hours.
I don’t think it’s an “either/or” argument. I see “both/and.” Yes, there are rough times ahead, but it will be the church’s greatest hour! Maybe the heat will iron out all the wrinkles so Jesus can come back for a bride without spot or wrinkle!
Curtis — time to get a blog going? “watchmanonthewall.wordpress.com” or something?
#20 by petermlopez on July 10, 2009 - 9:38 am
Indeed. I look forward to it.
#21 by Curtis Ward on July 10, 2009 - 9:56 am
Peter,
I would love to have lunch with you soon. I do not want to give the impression that because I think that things are going to get worse (as I believe scripture teaches) that we are to stick our heads in the sand and do nothing. In fact, living near the return of Christ should in fact inspire us to watch, pray and be ready as never before. I enjoy your blog and look forward to discussing this more with you.
Curtis
#22 by Curtis Ward on July 10, 2009 - 9:57 am
One other thing…how do I change my icon/avatar thing. Mine looks evil.
#23 by petermlopez on July 10, 2009 - 10:24 am
Curtis, I do agree that things in the world are going to get worse, no argument at all. I just don’t think that precludes a contemporaneous “revival” (for lack of a better word). I think we actually probably agree, more than we disagree.
…and the avatars are generated randomly by wordpress unless you have a wordpress account and load your own. Sorry.
#24 by petermlopez on July 10, 2009 - 10:26 am
Curtis, oops, yes, let’s do lunch. Perhaps we can coordinate schedules Sunday at church.
#25 by PASTOR DAN WANYONYI on March 24, 2010 - 3:37 am
The Lord never did bring judgment upon any people of any generation until he raised up prophets to warn them of the impending danger. . . . And so it will be with our nation and all others, when they shall reject the message that is sent to them.even today kenya should watch out for her time is running out the lord is out to panish servialy any Nation,Comunity,Tribe that is stiff Naked…..
#26 by Nigel Bakes on September 12, 2011 - 8:51 am
we are in the end times now and have been for 2000 years, one constant revival, massive out pouring at the end